Ogham

Latest post Thu, Oct 12 2017 11:04 by Iarlaith. 9 replies.
  • Sun, Oct 1 2017 22:22

    • Iarlaith
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    Ogham

     Hi all,

            I had a discussion recently with a guy about an Ogham inscription. He was pronouncing it as OHM. I've always pronounced it as Og-ham. I looked it up on Wikipedia and that seemed to agree with him but there are several voice clips on YouTube that support my pronunciation. Can anyone shed some light on this? Thanks in advance. 

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  • Mon, Oct 2 2017 8:58 In reply to

    • Dale D
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    Re: Ogham

    Hi, larlaith,

    This site isn't really about ogham, although I think a couple of people may have some knowledge about it.

    I have always expected the prounciation you have used, but it would not surprise me if, in Ireland at least, it was pronounced as "ohm".  This is because lenited consonants in the medial position in a word are often glided over or softened to the point of being ignored.  I live in the US, and my expectation was partly based on American conjecture....

    It may also be true that the "og-ham" pronunciation may be correct in the US, and possibly even in England, I'm not sure.  But there are many regional differences in pronunciation that are accepted as being "mutually correct".  For example, the word "celtic" (an English word, I grant you) is pronounced "sell-tick" in the US, but in the British Isles it is pronounced with a hard "K" sound at the beginning:  "kell-tick".

    Unfortunately, "ogham" was not included in the pronunciation tab of the teangleann.ie website, so I am unable to give you any help from that resource.  There are a couple of other pronunciation resources that people mention occasionally, so perhaps one of those will be mentioned and provide us with the detail we need.

    Good luck!

    Dale D

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  • Mon, Oct 2 2017 11:16 In reply to

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    Re: Ogham

    Thanks for that. 

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  • Mon, Oct 2 2017 16:24 In reply to

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    Re: Ogham

    Hi Iarlaith,

    The pronounciation is along the lines of OHM or OWuM. There's no G sound.

    You can hear it pronounced in different dialects at abair.ie by typing the word in the text box and selecting a dialect.

     

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  • Mon, Oct 2 2017 17:33 In reply to

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    Re: Ogham

    Thank you. 

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  • Tue, Oct 3 2017 2:21 In reply to

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    Re: Ogham

    abair.ie sounds like "ohm"

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  • Tue, Oct 3 2017 8:40 In reply to

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    Re: Ogham

    Hi Laura,

    Yes, the Gaoth Dobhair (Donegal) pronounciation sounds like 'ohm'. But if you listen to the Conamara (Connacht) and Corca Dhuibhne (Munster) pronounciations, they're slightly different. You get more of an 'ow' sound at the start (think of the slight variations in pronunciation you'd hear for words like fogha, or foghlaim) and an 'um' sound for the m the end. My 'OWuM' attempt at a phoentic spelling for this might have exaggerated that m sound, but it would be along the lines of the m sound in orm. Or in the English word film when an Irish person says it...fil-um Smile

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  • Tue, Oct 3 2017 10:53 In reply to

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    Re: Ogham

    Is féidir liom é a chloisteáil.

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  • Thu, Oct 12 2017 9:12 In reply to

    Re: Ogham

    Dia dhuit gach duine,

     

    I'm not sure if this is approprite but worth a shot! If not, just let me know.

     

    I need to translate this into Irish.

     

    'and once she believed, everything fell into place. She found her courage, strength and overwhelming self love. She became free. A fearless, empowering soul.

     

    Go raibh mile!

     

     

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  • Thu, Oct 12 2017 11:04 In reply to

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    Re: Ogham

    I’ll have a go 😐

    agus nuair a chreid sí,

    thit gach rud in áit,

    fuair sí a misneach, neart agus grá mó di féin.

    Bheith sí saor.

    Anam cumhachtach gan eagla. 

    I would wait for a few more replies as my Irish is quite rusty 😏

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